Alright, so now that Esthera officially is a "leader", and not an "other", I find myself with lots of questions about the 4 remaining candidates for the harem list. The inclusion of Sabitha, and her subsequent movement from "leader" to "other" threw me off as well, as her place as her placement means that one of the other suspects won't be joining, and that we are out of leaders. There are only 4 unfilled question marks left, and all of them belong to the "other" category, which seems to be reserved for Tower Walkers/ Tower Beings. It seems to me that the candidates for the last slots, are Xestris, those with RP scores, and the "friendly" godesses. Meaning: Elleani, Mestan, Vhala, Ivala, Xestris, Mithryn and Zelica Vhala seems like the far least likely to join, and Mestan's RP will probably be about whether he trusts Simon or not, and not about if he will join the harem/ go through some gender-switcheroo Tower fuckery. The fact that Xestris is without an RP score, despite being "recruited" by Simon&co leads me to believe that she won't join. Worst case scenario, she will turn traiter, or die before she can join. Ivala has an RP score, and is a goddess, which makes her the most likely to join in my book. Mithryn and Zelica aren't far behind, as they fit well into the "other" category well, and Simon has been on the path towards them for a while now. I could already see Mithryn happening after the next free-roam update, concidering Tanurak's words about her defenses. This leaves Elleani, which is the most mindboggling and interesting of all the candidates, to me. I was sure she would end up as a "leader" as early as chapter 3, but now that's seemingly impossible as the book is filled. That leaves two options open, as far as I can see: 1) She never joins the harem, because she is killed/ married off/ turns out to be evil/ loses faith in Simon 2) She has/ she will attain proficiency in the Tower, and could even up as a goddess, to make her fit into the "other" category. None of these explainations make sense to me, but it's the best I got, now that she can't be a leader. I don't even think it's because she wants to retire, because then she would become "non-combat" instead of "other" In the end, I think the final four will be Elleani, Ivala, Mithryn and Zelica, though I am far from certain. Anyways, these are merely my thoughts. Who do you think will be the final four?

Yeah, i was thinking about this too. (reasoning contains stuff from the game backend and spoilers, so careful with reading it. Also note sierra loves trolling dataminers so Jibbers the taking squirrel is obviously Qums true revealed at the end) Technically, we have 4 names with rp scores: Ellani, Vhala, Mestan, Ivala, and one could make a case for Vunne too but i wont for now. -Ellani is for sure in, since she already have some shelves dedicated to her books in the HQ. While looking quite out of place in the 'other' section between demons, abominations and goddesses, technically she fits there, but my guess is something will happen to her, like one of the goddesses possess her or something (my best bet is goddess of magic). That magical bunker near her place is also quite suspicious. -Mestan, well he swings both ways, but my best argument is in the harem list code: "Genderbent Shardholder", (though it has Estavens pic assigned to it). Still, i think its likely that he will be freed by turning into a girl and Lilith losing interest in "him" since she specifically needed a male toy. -Ivala will be in the harem, hands down, if nothing else, i think that's the only way to raise Carinas still locked 99rp to 100. -Vhala: the facts that she don't want her sexuality back, and she doesn't accept a goddess shard leads me to a similar conclusion than Ellani: she would "merge" with one of the current ones (my best bet is Zelica) All this goddess merger would also account for the current pantheon (the Mothers shard will be broken apart, no questions asked) and their lack of space or rp values in the harem list. Then again, we got surprise rp values before, so anything goes.

It won't be Vhala, she would be in Combat since she's a party member. If she joins, another slot will be added to Combat. Elleani and Simon have a pretty developed relationship already. She'll have a slot. She won't be in Leaders because she's uninterested in politics, she's just forced to participate right now. Ivala? Her RP could be used for something else. Right now the Ivala rp score is mostly about some high pitched thief, as far as we know the name of the variable could be a red herring. Of course there's also a clear possibility that she'll join. Also there's the Goddess of Magic, who had a cute interaction with Simon but not much else. She may still get some on-the-fly RP calculations, à la Tertia. As much as I'd like Mestan to join as is, I think his RP will get transferred to someone else. Like he'll fuse with Xestris or something. (It's just an example.) Anyway, I think we get too much RP calculations for him for it to be irrelevant harem-wise, so Mestan or a character linked to him will get a third slot. Maybe even Mithyn since they have similar names and she doesn't have RP yet. Vunne have some RP too, she might join. I don't think that's likely since her RP follow the same model as Vhala's, but that was also true for Sabitha, so heh. I don't think Xestris will join. She'll be happy ever after with the Anak, or die, one of the two. Who am I kidding? Last spot is clearly for Grubbak. :p

ForceofNature 1) She never joins the harem, because she is killed/ married off/ turns out to be evil/ loses faith in Simon 2) She has/ she will attain proficiency in the Tower, and could even up as a goddess, to make her fit into the "other" category. There's an option 3) for Elleani. There used to be an additional slot for non-combat people that was removed, and another slot was added to leaders. Fulminato is the master of previous game code builds, but I think that leaders slot has since been removed. So it's possible that Elleani was originally going to be a non-combat research historian, but SL decided that she was really more of a New Givini leader than a non-combat. What happened from there is that either there was a code update for the leaders harem when Esthera, Neranda or Fheliel were added that deleted the extra leaders slot unintentionally, OR that she thought better of the reclassification and moved Elleani back to non-combat but forgot to add the non-combat slot back. SL is basically constantly juggling 12 balls with TLS, so it's natural that one will get dropped from time to time. I'd suggest that the Vunne variable probably isn't RP, and that if Mestan gets a slot, it'll be because he turns the tables on Lilith and ends up "hollowing her out and wearing her like a suit".

Mestan having a high RP value could mean that he becomes Lilith......But I doubt it. All the leader slots and non-combat slots are taken and Elleani being in the Other category makes no sense. That category seems to be for powerful tower walkers and shard holders. Honestly I thought Estheria being the Other category made more sense.

when speculate about harem panel empty slots a thing must take in consideration. the distribution isn't set in stone. talking about chapter 4 and onward (no time to check the chapter 3 - post rework situation). v0.31: 12/7/7/6 [first real chapter 4 release] v0.42: 12/6/8/6 [first post-synod release] v0.53: 12/6/7/7 [Second Gathering first half] esthera slot [second position] was here from the starts, the one moved was one the bottom line of the list. the line moved. i think elleani will be added as non-combat/leader, moving her line around is another misdirection. don't think sabitha was intended for a different slot. we have to much around her to don't end here. two bookshelves in hq library (one for joining another for rp cap), her rp capped to 99 and the relation si builded a long time. i will wait the next update for barring any rp score with xestris, and even with a rp score we don't think she will join the harem. Ivala rp score is legit (IMHO), but there is a high possibility to the name an obfuscation. or we need to find a relation between the cloaked thief and the goddess, i can think a couple, but they are at least in the ultra-wild speculation realm. but i don't think the goddess will join. GoM is a safe bet for her join, since the ersoian confrontation she hinted, the bit tertia said about her only reinforce it. lilth is a wild card, i think she will not join, but sabitha word is in simon ability to bind her to him, how this can affect the core force she embodied it's a blank page the most improbable and far fetched theory? hester was a tower entity all along and she will jump to simon boner at the first opportunity.

Remaining harem slots

Fulminato

when speculate about harem panel empty slots a thing must take in consideration. the distribution isn't set in stone.
talking about chapter 4 and onward (no time to check the chapter 3 - post rework situation).

v0.31: 12/7/7/6 [first real chapter 4 release]
v0.42: 12/6/8/6 [first post-synod release]
v0.53: 12/6/7/7 [Second Gathering first half]

esthera slot [second position] was here from the starts, the one moved was one the bottom line of the list. the line moved.
i think elleani will be added as non-combat/leader, moving her line around is another misdirection. don't think sabitha was intended for a different slot.

we have to much around her to don't end here. two bookshelves in hq library (one for joining another for rp cap), her rp capped to 99 and the relation si builded a long time.
i will wait the next update for barring any rp score with xestris, and even with a rp score we don't think she will join the harem.
Ivala rp score is legit (IMHO), but there is a high possibility to the name an obfuscation. or we need to find a relation between the cloaked thief and the goddess, i can think a couple, but they are at least in the ultra-wild speculation realm. but i don't think the goddess will join.
GoM is a safe bet for her join, since the ersoian confrontation she hinted, the bit tertia said about her only reinforce it.
lilth is a wild card, i think she will not join, but sabitha word is in simon ability to bind her to him, how this can affect the core force she embodied it's a blank page
the most improbable and far fetched theory? hester was a tower entity all along and she will jump to simon boner at the first opportunity.

Cazador

Fulminato IMO binding Lilith will be more about Mestan than about her. Also, if the Ivala variable name is an obfuscation, then maybe it's related to the Tower girl? Since she's the one who gets obfuscated names, usually. It could be her mysterious mommy.

Fulminato

Cazador IMO binding Lilith will be more about Mestan than about her. Also, if the Ivala variable name is an obfuscation, then maybe it's related to the Tower girl? Since she's the one who gets obfuscated names, usually. It could be her mysterious mommy.

one of the dialouge of the little girl was about her beign frustrated by the synod, but even her don't know why. so a link to the church and ivala is real, but how is an open question. xestris was the thing more close her "mommy" we meet. and in respect to simon <<Something vast separates us. And separates you from "Mommy.">>. not a clue about her mom or her connection to goddess and both shards type..

Goi12

I could see Lilith sort of taking Mestem RP points if she does join the Harem or at least it being used as a how well you bind her. Even more so on the did not help him version of events

Lastlonestar

As I see it, Elleanni has 2 options, Zelica's shard, which I believe is that tree Xerces is seen harvesting in the prologue, or snatching the Mother's. Elleanni would make for a more loving elven goddess than the Mother and maybe unite Arclent thru religion than military or mercantile use.

TC_Leon

Well, after 0.56.2, elleanni joined as leader, which left only three free slots for category ,others'.

As far as I proceed, I cannot say who would be the next harem for ,others' , but the ,Teehee' masked person might give a hint for the next candidate.

SotterPapaioannou

Right now the most probable candidates for the remaining harem are:

Lillith (since it is revealed that Mestan is something like an aspect the of her and we can get RP with him, I don't see why not)
Ivala (it appears that we can get RP with her and she is definitely supportive towards Simon)
3) Vhala (perhaps she could be lower in the list or not at all, I am only adding her because she has RP)
4) Mithyn (seems supportive towards Simon)
5) Zelica (interested with finding an Incubus King as her partner, but for all we know she have been killed)

BlueSwann

SotterPapaioannou

Isn't Mitthyn already in the Harem (as per 0.57)?

Furhermore, personally think Ivala is a guarantee, which leaves 1 more slot. I doubt Vhala will suddenly want sex again. Lilith is interesting, but her sprite so far has been that of a child which does make doubt that she will be the last one. Zelica is a possibility but we don't really have an established relationship with her, and it is a bit late to start one now.

I think Xestris is the most likely candidate, simply because she seems to turn away from the Anak and we atleast have some relationship with her.

SotterPapaioannou

BlueSwann I thought that Xestris had already joined the harem. Huh.

Mithyn joined the harem? That's nice.
Call it a tinfoil hat theory, but I believe that Lillith and Mestan will become one. Perhaps the new Lillith might be more woman-like.
The only reason I included Vhala is because of the RP.

So, Xestris is bound to join and Mithyn has already done so. Also Sierra said that the high pitched thief was related to a harem quest in her blog. Unless the Ivala RP we get with encountering the thief is a red herring, then yeah Ivala is the last piece of the harem puzzle. But why does Mestan has so much RP though? Will it act as a cohesion value when the 2 merge? I don't know.

Fulminato

BlueSwann Mithyn isn't in the harem panel in the waiting screen (0.57.1), but well, the end of the update is pretty clear in that regard.

i don't think ivala will join. she will be an ally like vhala. xestris i think is a safe bet. in the hall of carnality and replay sphere there are a few simon/xestris sprite actions. locked for now.

zelica is still a unknow factor. can join, or remain an ally (or she cannot surviving xerces procedure)

i still think lilith is out. as far sex is involved.

SotterPapaioannou if you want a big, big spoiler.

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mestan will die in this update. one way or another (the way he die depend if you had help him during the ginasta rescue or not) and his rp are transalte in lilth rp (with few other factors)
lilth rp follow a pattern akin vhala or sabitha (no starting value, few and small bonus) the max legit is now 15 but it require qum whored, raped dominate varia, reletima copied... a 'nice' playtrhorugh can have lilth rp to 9.

BlueSwann

Fulminato i don't think ivala will join. she will be an ally like vhala. xestris i think is a safe bet. in the hall of carnality and replay sphere there are a few simon/xestris sprite actions. locked for now.

zelica is still a unknow factor. can join, or remain an ally (or she cannot surviving xerces procedure)

If Ivala stays an ally, and as an unkown either dies or doesn't join the Harem, who could the last one be? To me it seems unlikely that an entirely new character will be introduced to fill that final slot.

On a side note, at the waiting screen when checking relationship points it provides a value for Reletima.... So is that just Sierra messing with us or is she a stand in for someone else?

BleBle

Fulminato
About Lilith we dont know, she can have a bisexual and grown part of her. I bet she can transform into a grown woman, if she want.At least the sprite of her in the battle is a grown woman ripping her guts out.Well that would be disgusting in sex I think. Jeez

Fulminato

BlueSwann
1) i think zelica. but we will see.
2) reletima is the answer "to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything"

BleBle

Well Sierra make a bit of spoiler:

The thief "Teehee" will be part of someone's harem quest in the endgame.

Fulminato

BleBle anything tied to ivala can be used in carina or sarai "harem's quest" without strech. not need to be "ivala harem quest"

BleBle

Fulminato Sure, But that's something we dont know, and the chance is there.

Cazador

Maybe the name of the "Ivala" variable is a red herring, like the name of stuff related to the mysterious little girl, and it's not actually related to Ivala?

Fulminato

Cazador it's increased with some action favorable to the church of ivala. like fund the mission of succubus ivalan priestess in rodak (if you aren't in new religion scenario). so don't think will be something totaly unrelate to ivala.

Draz0000

Noticed that I'm missing Ginasta, Neranda, and Sabitha from my harem ledger thing, not sure why when I'm pretty sure I remember having scenes of them joining. Anyone know how to fix this / what the name of the flag is to put them in the ledger?

Fulminato

Draz0000 it's a bug in the early version of ginasta rescue section.
the only fix i know is replay from the talk with ginasta after the node battle.