Q&A Thosha's playthrough

Thosha

cgh You get a Huge Potion in Aka's Path that can be used during Yarra's path so you don't have to buy an Orc Potion (they have the same effect)

PrinceBautista

hello, lilith + varia doesn't equal AOE, its fuckluck. I think u mean to say vhalla

https://thelastsovereign.miraheze.org/wiki/Thosha%27s_playthrough#Open_world_segment:_Expansion_to_Renthnor

PrinceBautista

hello again. i didn't get the redhat for some reason. so i only have green,blue,grey.
and robin isn't in the old house.
"Currently the hat creation is bugged for me so not possible yet (as far as I know)"

is this the bug you're referring to?

Thosha

PrinceBautista No, it had been fixed since then. You should have gotten the Red Hat prior to this. Yo get one hat every time you beat the Magekillers, the first time is during Megail's Path (chapter 2). Don't forget that all hats need to be unequiped in order to be combined. Make sure a party member doesn't have it equiped.

Invictus455

Is there an ACTUAL reason to horde this much Sx? Whilst you CAN just save-scum your way through fights, it's a bit tedious and annoying. I also find it incredibly hard to believe there's an actual eventual use for dozens of sets of crappy iron armor and swords. Some of the stuff you find LITERALLY says in its description that it has no purpose other than to be sold. I get that you'll pretty much always find better equipment later on, but it is a SLOG to each of those points. Should the Sx amounts in the checkpoints maybe just be the minimum amount of Sx you should have?

Thosha

One of the main reasons for preserving Sx is that the game isn't fully released yet and I don't know which expesive items might get added. Once the game is fully released I will put a lot of recomendations of good items to buy. But this game has a finite amount of Sx available (not grindable).
A reason for not selling items is that some enemies at the start of the game have a random drop table (they sometime drop good to use or to sell. However, in order to have the checkpoints be a fixed number I can't recommend selling items yet (until it gets changed or the game is fully released).
I have already put recomendations for good items to buy at certain points in the game (admittedly not many). which I plan to expand upon in at the final release.

swears

Invictus455 There's only 3-4 fights in the whole game that should give you trouble if you know how to set up your lineup right even with found/unique equipment only

Thosha

If you have any difficulties with any fights you can tell me which and I can make recomendations accordingly. I am always open to feedback

Invictus455

There's only 2 fights so far that I found difficult without save-scumming the crap out of them:
The latter orc fights during the gathering: the rouge is VERY hard to hit twice reliably and even if you DO, you still need the ones AFTER him to either miss or do minimum damage to you to in order to even be able to drink the huge health potion. Buying 1 orc potion or hell, even a large health potion during Aka's route solves this. You can sell 10 of the regular health potions to cover the cost of a huge one. There is VERY little point in hoarding all the small potions, there are multiple points in the game that say so too ("Hoarding has been the death of many an adventurer", "They all said the were saving them for the 'final fight'", Antarion carrying like a million of the things, etc.)

The other one is Simon's solo fight with Mestan in Eustrin. Without a durge or sylvan sword, it's actually possible to lose.

Thosha

Invictus455 I disagree with the second one since quite a bit of other fights are a lot more harder to fail (eg. Incubus Ruin boss) Unless if you only consider solo fights in which case I agree. The first example I agree with and I would say that using consumables during your game is fine, it's just that I don't do it (partly, because I played stuff like Dark Souls and like the extra challenge). I'll put a disclaimer that using consumbles is fine and will not ruin a playthrough following my guide.

cgh

The durge sword is one of the first items I get at the very first opportunity. It's the best weapon for Simon until at least the beginning of Chapter 5 Sovereign. It doesn't have a defense penalty and is thus more valuable than the sylvan blade. I tend to agree with Invictus about potion use. Thus I sell all the minor health potions right away (the mana potions are always useful in tight spots such as the Erosian Temple section in the war against Fucklord.) Though Thosha is right that there's generally no real need for potions and they can pretty much be sold off right away.

And there seems no point in keeping obsolete equipment. Once steel is available for all characters, the iron equipment gets sold. Once enough dwarf armour is available, the steel gets sold off. If you are interested, invictus, I have a little list of a half-dozen or so items that are highly useful during Thosha's walkthrough that make it much easier.

kobajagrande

cgh I would appreciate such a list too, as I'm preparing for one ultimate playthrough once the game is complete. I'm thinking about equipment that: a) is on the endgame best in slot list, and b) optional equipment that makes sections of the game noticeably easier (like orc potion, durge sword, master staff etc.)

Thosha

The only issue is that some consumables and armour/weapons are random drops. In chapter 1-2 (maybe 3) some enemies have a random drop table, making accurate Sx calculations very difficult. I'm trying to get Sierra to remove this random chance, but no luck so far. I could also just completly drop the Sx calculations altogether and focus on just getting essential items to get through the game more easiliy. What do you think?
(I also like the Durge Sword and Master Wand a lot)

cgh

kobajagrande Here's my list and it works pretty well.

Durge Sword (get this the instant you have access to the Ari-Yilina weapon shop in the Merchant’s Quarter). The Durge Sword will be useful until you get the Dim Sword late in Chapter 5.
Butt plugs (buy these when you arrive in Stineford from the succubus merchant, 2nd floor Succubus Tower. I suggest buying one for each of Yarra, Nalili, and eventually Riala. It makes combat go much faster and with less difficulty if all Succubi can use all of their abilities immediately. This makes a huge difference throughout the game.)
For Qum, buy one Dildo (lust preservation) and one Handcuff. The Stun attack from handcuffs is useful as late as the Erosian War for stunning inconvenient enemies and conserving power.
At your first chance, buy a Master Staff. Make this your first trip during “Aka’s Route”. At 25 K, it may seem expensive, but it adds hugely to Robin’s attack damage and halves incoming magic attack damage. This one is useful throughout the game. It makes dealing with the monsters in Hidden Port (another very tough fight) much, much easier.
During Chapter 2, buy a Freezing Staff when you invest in the Stineford magic shop. It costs only 8 K and is the best offensive boost you can give Robin or Altina. It will be useful until you get the staves in Chapter 4 Arbiter. And unlike most Staves, it provides a defense boost.

And that’s my list.
For potions, sell all the light healing potions, keep all the mana potions.
Sell all the leather and iron armor and weapons as soon as you have better for any character.
Sell all the steel armor and weapons as soon as you have better for any given character.
Sell all the Whips as soon as you have better for the succubi.
Sell all the bows you find in the Sylvan lands. Don’t buy any of the new ones. Vhala already has better or just as good.
Sell all of Simon’s starting equipment except the ribbon as soon as you have better.

Thosha's list of best equipment loadouts provided at various points in his walkthrough is very good, with only my exceptions noted here.

cgh

Thosha Thosha, I agree with your suggestion about dropping the Sx calculation. It really doesn't add anything essential to the walkthrough. What is truly essential and enormously helpful to me is your periodic noting of Simon's experience from time to time. This helps greatly in ensuring that you have not missed anything in terms of combats anywhere. I very much like your occasional references to essential items acquired at various stages of the game. This particularly includes things like Shining Swords and unique weapons or other unique items.

But the fact remains that you've done an excellent job in providing a detailed walkthrough of the entire game to date catching everything. And this is very important. TLS is a huge game that would be impossible and frustrating to play without the sort of good roadmap which you've made.

swears

Thosha
I'm pretty pro keeping the Sx running totals at the checkpoints throughout the playthrough. There have already been several times where I used that as a reference along the way (and when we differed occasionally discovered something like recently in Aka's path). It's especially useful in the split party sections where Simon exp is not available to check. But I understand if you want to drop it. It's probably a pain to keep track of

GeneralXen

Thosha Grim modified his files so he wouldn't get the RNG Drops (they simply didn't drop), for my own shopping list I listed my RNG Drops so I remembered not to sell them. That becomes infinitely more complicated if you're selling basic consumables though. Sx checkpoints were nice, but I think Exp checks should be enough to make sure fights aren't missed.

Thosha

I think I'm going to keep Sx checkpoints but put a disclaimer on all of them that it is not required to be followed. I'm also going to implement recommended buy and sell lists at various points in the game. This is probably going to take a while to implement but it is a change I am going to make.

swears

Thosha
New equipment would be cool but the only time I feel a little under equiped is that early fight in Stineford with the spiders

cgh

swears Agreed. One thing that helps a bit is buy a steel shield for Hilstara. It provides much more protection than iron. She can soak up a lot more damage from spiders that way. I forgot to list this one in my equipment purchases list above.

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