The tables for enemies weakness and resistance in the walkthrough page (and in other places) need some care and uniformity of design. i think is better to canonized their structure. my proposal is: Enemy name Elements Weakness Elements Resistance Statuses Resistance Statuses Immunuity with the exact numbers after each element/status.

So a couple of days ago I discovered there was actually an Enemies page that had more or less been abandoned since last year, and their tables included Names, Images, Weaknesses, Resistances, Miscellaneous Information, and Lore. It was missing a lot of information and didn't really go beyond the beginning of Chapter 2, so I've been slowly adding in complete data and reformatting it so it's all standardized. I did add an Immunity column, but so far I've kept Elemental Resistance and Status Resistance in the same column, just on different lines. It'd probably be easy enough to split them apart. TBH the Lore column is probably unnecessary but I had a lot of fun filling it with quotes from the game so I kept it in. https://thelastsovereign.miraheze.org/wiki/Enemies In any case, rows of data from this page could probably be pretty easily copied to other pages. Images are kinda iffy from a copyright perspective, given that a lot of them are RPGM assets or someone's art, but it's probably not any more egregious than all the other images on the wiki. Anyhow, if someone could figure out how to keep the images to a standardized size instead of the wildly fluctuating sizes they are right now, that'd be peachy.

I think Fulminato's proposal is sound. It may also be good if we could keep resistances and immunities in some order, maybe mentioning biggest resistance/weakness first. In general I think the enemy list is neglected because DukeLeto7 releases that enemy stats PDF regularly, so it's somewhat a duplication of effort. If we could get him to make a thread for that, and link to it from the top of the Enemies page, that would be nice. Lore column is unnecessary but I don't see any harm since we have much more horizontal space on the new wiki. On the other hand, some of the quotes are rather tenuously related, and the Notes column could take up more space than it does now. I feel enemy images are wholly unnecessary to be honest, and players can just look them up by name. They add "spice" to the Bosses page, but for the Enemies page I think it is not a worthwhile use of vertical space (or our host's disk space). Unless anyone objects, I would propose to remove and delete them. Or rather, players could look up enemies by name if the enemy tables weren't collapsed by default. That should also be changed,

I support removing the enemies pictures.

I, uh, may not have been aware there was a PDF. 😅 I've been ordering Weaknesses/Resistances by value so far (biggest weakness/smallest resistance first) and generally tried to keep the order of equal values consistent. It'd be easy enough to remove the images from that page, just need to delete the Images column from each table. Slightly more annoying is deleting all the file pages, unless there's a way of pruning media that isn't used in any page. Getting rid of the collapsible is a good idea, I'll do that from now on. With images removed, that opens up a lot more space. If y'all think Elemental Resistance and Status Resistance should both get their own column, there shouldn't be any issue on that front.

sera i propose the separation between elements and statuses mainly for handle the double poison entry.

Fulminato Or we could use Poison(E) and Poison(S) to distinguish between the two.

SotterPapaioannou I do like that idea for the immunity column. Currently, the Resistances column has something similar, with information organized like so: Elemental: Physical, Sex, Poison... Status: Poison, Blind, Silence.... Due to the difference between how Element resistance and Status resistance works, sorting them all together based on value seems like it would be confusing, so I'd prefer to keep it like it is or split it into two columns.

sera I have no issue with either idea.

I assumed the forum post with the enemies PDF link would be migrated over in the near future, so I hadn't bothered to repost. Here it is if anyone needs it. http://www.mediafire.com/file/jct1ydamkd6bcyh/Enemies.pdf/file If y'all get a standardized table format for an enemies page, I should be able to make a means of automatically generating it, probably with the notes and table headers. I'm hoping to be done with the project that's been eating my time soon. Note that enemy images are a combination of "base" pictures and tint codes that allow different color schemes, so unless you go to the trouble of screencapping the stupid things, you can't really get all the images from the game files. Also note that there isn't really a hard and fast distinction between bosses and regular enemies, because I don't think the collapse effect happens consistently. I'm in favor of trashing the lore column.

Enemies tables uniformity

DukeLeto7

Dmitry

Testing...

DukeLeto7

I click reply and the quote it generates is just the username followed by a hashtag and number, presumably a post ID. There's no quoted text.

Just like my post immediately above. The link seems to work though.

EDIT: It's exhibiting the same behavior on my desktop PC.

Dmitry

Reply doesn't quote, select the text you want to quote and hit the quote popup

DukeLeto7

Dmitry Reply doesn't quote, select the text you want to quote and hit the quote popup

Got it.

DukeLeto7

The PDF has been updated. There's just the one new enemy, but he's a significant one.

Should I bother updating the thread in the old forum?

SotterPapaioannou

DukeLeto7 Dios mio! We get to fight HIM?! Could you please give a hint about the aftermath of that battle?

DukeLeto7

Remarkably little changes.

EDIT: It looks as though Philon is now at a Beige alert. Xerces has no strong feelings one way or the other. If he doesn't survive, tell Xestris he said "Hello.".

Dmitry

There is no need to update old threads, any work done there is likely to be lost

DukeLeto7

Dmitry

Dmitry There is no need to update old threads, any work done there is likely to be lost

Should I just post a new thread here instead? We've been waiting on the forum migration for a while...

Dmitry

New threads are likely going to be required for any ongoing topics. I may have to force the old threads to be locked.

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