As with the previous threads, the purpose of this is to discuss and wonder about future events in The Last Sovereign. Feel free to continue discussions from other threads (or forums), preferably with links or context. Debate is welcome as long as it remains civil. Also, please don't try to shout down others' theories on the basis that it's against mere fan consensus. Please do not delve into game files and post results on this thread as this is pure player opinion and speculation... plus the developer is known to insert misleading plot information for delvers to find. Warnings: This thread will contain SPOILERS. This thread will contain advance information from patreon builds. This thread may contain wild speculation, total conjecture, and possibly even the correctly guessed truth. If you want to avoid spoilers, avoid this thread.

Given that the Anak created two Incubi and set up the Tower game, I suspect he might have played it all in a bid to lure Tanurak in. I think he even said something about it happening sooner than anticipated. Also, it's not clear if Nyst actually got part of his shard or is simply a construct made to seem like he did. Since he requested a day to put up some contest, it's probably phase two of the Anak's plan, whatever it might be. (A trap against Tanurak?) Given how the Skullpounder looks and talks like the Skullcrusher, it's also possible that he reused the later's shard to create the former. If this is the case, and Nyst is indeed a shardless construct, then it's possible that no actual shard fragmenting took place to create his pet incubi. Shard fragmenting was just the team's first hypothesis, along with the motive that it was to emulate the Empress' success with the Doom King, which is probably false too.

Cazador About your theory regarding Skullpounder there are is one issue. The Stineford IK (who had a shard from Fucklord) shares the same appearance as well. Most likely, Sierra is just reusing assets for easily disposable characters. As for baiting Tanny boy, I am not that sure. The one who intercepted Tanurak was the Lustlord not him. Why bait someone and not bother to intercept him? Was he hoping that Lustlord would do the job for him. I don't know.

It's not only the look. Skullpounder, Skullcrusher... there are clear similarities. To be more clear, I don't think the Anak planned to kill Tanurak the moment he showed up, because otherwise having Nyst organize an event would be pointless.

Cazador I reread the investigation scenes of both Skully and Nyst. While it is made clear that Nyst's shard was part of Anak's in Skully's case is quite more ambiguous. So you might have a point. One more thing, Fuzkao (who took Fucklord's piece) named himself Flamelord. Hm...

i think nyst a tower construct of some sort made by the anak for his purpose. if you replay the section, after nyst say to have a event there is a dialogue box with xerces with only "..." the thing puzzle me the most is why empty his room? it isn't simple leaving all in it, an simulate a little use? this is a huge reg flag for something amiss for anyone with the ability to sneak in (and xerces know very well in the gathering there is at least one able to do so, we/simon group)... Sierra in patreon comments say about skullpounder made the same arc of skullcrasher for some "nostalgic comeback" of sort. but the anak doesn't have done anything to control or guide skullpounder, he only give a little shard fragment, and not in a direct way, if i read the investigation dialogue right, anak influence begin only after the start of the gathering, with a bottle magically charged. in reverse nyst shard IS the anak shard subtely disguises. i found more relevant is the ability to broke a fragment of the shard within him without killing himself (unlike estaven did), this mean the process can be mimic with the divine shard. perhaps yarra was right and tertia can be chiped off, or other goddess can give some fraction of their shards to other...

I thought that the Anak wasn't really trying to obscure Nyst's real nature from the three other big players (Esthera, Lustlord, Simon). If they're just expandable ressources for the Gathering, he just needed those who knew to roll with it for a time. Even if it's not a Tanurak trap, I do expect these two to be only pawns, and for his plan to culminate with Nyst's game. It's true that it means goddesses can also chop off. I admit, I was so focused on the Gathering I didn't think about it.

Mmm, new forum smell. The Anak's motives are still opaque to me. It seems like he's just trying to destabilize things now - killing the Sage, making new IK's, etc. I suppose that is one kind of balance.

Xestris did mention that he cares for Philon. It's another complexity layer.

TheEndingOfTheWords killing the sage was a measure to reduce the numbers of competent tower walkers able around. Mhityn asked simon to reduce the numbers of shard holders around for avoiding "wrost case scenario". perhaps this wrost case scenario is the Anak's goal. so making more IKs (replacing the ones simon group has removed) are needed.

The peaceful grey threat that Ginasta mentioned. An outcome where there is no chaos seems very similar to the course the Anak made due to how Sabitha described it as very much like the normal world where everything is defined and nothing can be Vague. and Lilith the avatar of chaos is described as hard to define due to being what she is.

Speculation Thread 12: Gathering Storm

Cazador

I think it's, at the very least, implied that Riala's plan of destroying the Crystal of Ivala physically is supposed to free Simon. So in my understanding, the plan is to march on Ardford with the Doom King and destroy it.

Battlewarrior

Cazador
Thanks a lot! I guess I'm going to replay that scene.

Fulminato

Battlewarrior simon will never attack tanurak before he will make an hole big enough to escape. after they both escape... we will see.

destriy the crystal don't think will destroy the prison, only weaken it. but perhpas will be enough to break by divine collaboration tertia and mithyn spoke about.

the only real 'wild card' is xestris, for now.

Battlewarrior

Fulminato

What about Wendis? I'm not sure what SL implies she's trying to do. After all, she's stronger than Tanurak and (before the ritual) could trouble Anak.

TC_Leon

It seems that my initial guess of setting up the prison would be more suitable for Hester or Xerces. With Alonon's view of reality being changed due to Tower exploration, now I do not think he would set up the prison to trap his former allies. Therefore, either Hester or Xerces could potentially set up the prison to harness/weaken the power of other shard holders.

ciurra

Quirriff i

Robohawk the horseshoe theory of lust and purity at work!

QiQi

I often wondered if the prison wasn't from someone who is on the know about Simon, to get an insurance on him, while killing off the rest, it just seemed so strange to give access to 'holy equipments', but it seems to be just 3D chess to weaken every IK, even if one succeeded (Simon) in going far enough.

That, or they really didn't expect expect them from going far enough and everything I'm saying is just crap.

ForceofNature

A fun little tidbit I recently found in the game:

As you may well know Hester got an RP-score in the latest update, and one of the factors that determines her initial score is the responses you give to the little Tower-girl near the end of Chapter 4. One of the questions is something along the lines of: "What would you do against an opponent that isn't just a power-hungry Incubus King?" Hester has the worst possible response to the answer "I'd do whatever is necessary" to which the girl responds "As does everyone"

However, this answer which Hester dislikes is very similar to her own response when you question her regarding voting in favor of mobilizing the Unpeople during the Ardford summit. "I see no reason not to be direct... In the end, we all do what we must". This does kinda make her a bit of a hypocrite, I think.

No idea if this is intentional, but damn is it a fun detail regardless. If anyone has noticed this before the IW, they would have a major hint regarding the Little Tower Girl and where/by who she was created

QiQi

ForceofNature Maybe she see herself a bit in Simon, and really doesn't like that she's the bad one in the mirror.

But man, Val tricked us eh?

Agumentic

"Hester" RP-score is almost definitely not referring to actual Hester, though.

Fulminato

Agumentic why?

Agumentic

Fulminato
A lot of reasons, but one of the main ones is that it changes depending on your responses to Little Girl, which actual Hester has no way of knowing. It seems very likely to me that the "Hester" RP value actually refers to Ivala that was in the crystal.

cheetar

Fulminato There is also the fact that it's influenced by HQ hospitality.

ForceofNature

Agumentic Yeah, but Ivala already has her own RP-score, indepedent of Hester's. And the fact that Hester was her captor makes it very possible that she was listening in on those conversations. There are many unknowns regarding Ivala's and Hester's relationship right now, but I think it's a far bigger stretch for Hester to have 2 RP-scores, rather than her simply being aware of The Girl's talks with Simon

Tzardok

Hmm. Do you think we've seen the last of Tanurak? Or did he manage to survive Hester's attack?

Fulminato

Tzardok he is gone, dev words

Tzardok

Fulminato
Well, at least that means that the annoying little cockroach won't make anymore problems.

Agumentic

ForceofNature
If Hester listened in on our conversations with Little Girl, she wouldn't be surprised about her appearance. And would also generally know much more. Also, given Hester calls Little Girl a "fragment" and Ivala is explicitly the one who made her, it seems quite possible that there's another (probably another) fragment - the cloaked thief - that has "Ivala" RP-value.

And as @cheetar said, "Hester" RP also increases due to the hospitality of our HQ, which actual Hester has even less reasons or opportunities to care about.

DukeLeto7

One thing that really impresses me post reveal is how well Hester bluffed Sarai by "reporting" that the Chosen were still appearing in Chapter 4.

ForceofNature

Agumentic I'm unconvinced. 2 RP-scores is still the thing I can't get over, and kinda overrules all counterpoints for me.
(Though switching the RP-scores names between Hester and Ivala to mess with the data-diggers is a classic troll-move that Sierra could very well have come up with, lol)
Barring dev-trolling, we can not be sure until 0.60. And presuming to know anything about the dynamic between Ivala and Hester remains pure guesswork. Hester's surprise at seeing the girl could be related to other things, such as seeing her out of the Tower, or y'know, wielding divine power against her prison-crystal? And the idea of the random, completely missable, unimportant thief-girl having the Ivala score is a stretch to make Ms Incredible proud. At this point I think all the important players are on the board for the main story. I think it's far more likely that the thief girl is a side-objective in one of the squads personal quests, along with other unresolved minor threats, like Ivastan or (presumably) the Mage Killers. There are a lot of those things left.

Agumentic

ForceofNature
Well, I can't convince you if one thing overrules all counterpoints, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see. However, random thief girl is definitely at least related to Ivala, on the account of, you know, giving Ivala RP for interacting with her.

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