Bugs thread

Cazador

The previous forum had a bug thread, so let's have one here too, and hope it would centralize here a bit as well as encourage people who found some to talk about it. :p

Anyway, let's start.

-> During the Third Arclent War, in Ardoheim (the map is called 'IK Point'), when choosing to send backup to Ardoheim, Simon says "I'll send an additional force. The situation in Aram could get messy." It should say Ardoheim here.

-> Still during the TAW, it would be a good idea to add a blocker in Gasm Falls to keep events from wandering between the status at the entry. I had the lamia wander during the Ginasta cutscene (going through the succubus), which was quite goofy. Also almost softlocked me by stopping Ginasta's movements.

-> During the Ardan Succession Crisis, if you enter the basement of the teahouse without Ellani, it still plays out as if she were in the party.

-> Btw, not sure if it's intended, but Mestan can be met in the teahouse during the succession crisis (but after his other events there).

-> At the entry of the headquarters' laboratory, we can start a scene with Wynn talking with Wendis for the first time since her resurrection. There's a event direction change here that's wrongly set on "this event"; it should be set on Wendis. (Right now she doesn't turn and stares at the crystal while Wynn talks to her.)

-> During the war on Thenours, at the part designated as Tower Crossroads 2 in the guide, the best result still can't be reached in the current version. (As it needs an army size of 200+, while max legit army size is 190.)

-> At the end of the Ardan succession crisis, after interacting with the blue flame and being sent to a tower map called "Twisted Space", I see two Robins. One that is an event for the cinematic, and another one that is my playable character. I guess the playable character was supposed to be invisible in this scene.

-> During the section Return to Stineford, there are three girls in the room: Aka, Yarra, and Qum. Aka have new dialogue about the custom knife she wants, but neither of the two others have anything new to say. Yarra still talks about being happy to meet other independant succubi, both can play a single sex scene, etc. It seems to be an oversight. (I almost missed Aka's quest because of that. Talked to Yarra, saw there was nothing new under the sun, concluded it was the same for the other two.)

Decanter

It's good to have this thread again. Most of these seem valid.

Cazador Btw, not sure if it's intended, but Mestan can be met in the teahouse during the succession crisis (but after his other events there).

In fact, that is the only time you can meet him. It is intended.

Cazador During the war on Thenours, at the part designated as Tower Crossroads 2 in the guide, the best result still can't be reached in the current version. (As it needs an army size of 200+, while max legit army size is 190.)

Can pretty much guarantee you the balance of this is not getting changed at this point.

throwaway531

Small bug, when investigating the 2nd crypt with the Lust Wraiths in the Dark Ruins, just before the party split. All 3 Wraith sprites are on top of each other, instead of being spread out like the Withered Husks were next to it.
https://files.catbox.moe/zk5yzo.png

throwaway531

Another small one, During Empresses end game, monster flame monsters can initiate encounters over cliffs. This one here forced me into a battle.
https://a.pomf.cat/vtpvuy.png

DukeLeto7

These two are Wontfix and Cantfix, respectively.

throwaway531

When Mythyn is speaking to Ivala in chapter 3 cutscene, she refers to captors, plural.
https://a.pomf.cat/sxkltl.png
But when talking to Tanurak in chapter 5, she refers to captor, singular. I don't know if this a simple spelling bug or something intentional on Sierra's part.
https://a.pomf.cat/lvkdiq.png

DukeLeto7

The discrepancy was pointed out to her and has not been corrected.

To the extent that there is a consensus, it is that Ivala didn't want to give Tanurak information about her captors.

Cazador

Or maybe it's a group with a leader. Anyway, it's intended

ismjahson

In the quest to craft a new body for the entity, I have the crystal of harmony but the quest still says i need one.

Decanter

ismjahson By "the quest" do you mean the quest journal, or some piece of dialogue? There was a bug in an old version that stopped the quest journal from updating when you received the crystal. In the current version 0.54.2, if you load your save file from before receiving the crystal, can you still reproduce the issue when receiving the crystal?

As for your deleted question about Fulminato's calculator - that is the Nalili maturity point conversation about how the Empire citizens know she is the princess even though she pretends not to be. It can happen in Nalili's room, after speaking to the fighting ring leader and/or brothel manager.

nklrzf

According to the wiki, Sister Beatrice joins as an optional Palace Staff member if the succubi formed a new religion at the Council of Gawnfall. Either it's bugged or there are other requirements the wiki doesn't mention—I had the succubi rejected and a new religion, but I'm in chapter 5 and Beatrice is still in the Ardford cathedral talking about how the disturbances have been weird lately. Instead, Sarai's being assisted by Sister Janelle, the Yhilini priestess who helps out during the Matters of Faith quest in Chapter 3.

I'm pretty good about talking to everybody, so I don't think I've missed a conversation flag with Beatrice—could it be that Janelle blocks her, so you need the New Unpeople motion to have passed way back during the Ardford summit? Something else? Not sure.

Decanter

nklrzf The wiki was wrong (at least on that page, though other pages were correct). Beatrice joins with a diverging Church, not the new religion.

throwaway531

Small bug in the Rodak Ag center where you can invest in the big agriculture project, the left hand wall has no barrier stopping player movement over it. Right wall is fine.
https://a.pomf.cat/sehmlx.png

The_Scoutman

This was pointed out by nklrzf in another thread, there seems to be a bug with double dealing with Esmera and Kerannii during the Synod.

Even after the ruse is up, [Kerannii Deal] never gets toggled off and the player still gets the benefits of dealing with Kerannii during later issues as if they were in good terms. Because [Kerannii Deal] doesn't get toggled off, there is plenty of hostile variants of her dialogue that go unused, strongly indicating this is unintended behavior. Furthermore, her appearance during the Eustrin-Aram conference seems to indicate she appreciated honesty from Simon, either in staying true in his dealings with her or refusing it in the first place, she only outright refuses to help if Simon hasn't "forged a faithful bond" with her, which implies the double-crossing.

I took a quick look at the code and it seems that simply toggling [Kerannii Deal] off when [Double Deal] gets toggled on during the unity vote should fix this problem without creating any other issues.

Decanter

The_Scoutman Because [Kerannii Deal] doesn't get toggled off, there is plenty of hostile variants of her dialogue that go unused, strongly indicating this is unintended behavior.

Hm, interesting. I wonder if there is any similar inaccessible content for Esmera?

TheShadyOne

There's a small typo in Orcent's new bar convo in Ari-Yhilina: "I hadn't fully considered it from your persective.". (Map283)
https://a.pomf.cat/fmjlvw.png

nklrzf

Decanter I haven't done any digging in the code, but my guess would be not—Esmera says that she'll trust you less because of it (i.e., her personal score takes a hit), but that you can still work together. From a character perspective, Esmera's pretty chill about the political aspect of her position, whereas Kerannii with her wide-eyed idealism is much more likely to take it personally.

I guess there's the [Esmera Override] flag that never gets used? The placement of that flag implies it would only matter for the Accept/Reject Succubi vote, though, so we wouldn't be missing much even so.

The_Scoutman

Decanter As far as I can tell, all of Esmera's dialogue is accessible in different routes. She has unique dialogue after the unity vote if you double deal but it is pretty similar to if you just don't keep your promise of arguing for alternate forms of unity (she isn't really angry, says she will be a bit mistrustful in the future but mechanically it plays the same, maybe it is only meant to reflect the loss of Esmera score that occurs when she realizes you dealed with both of them).

Esmera will only actually get angry dialogue during the Unpeople vote if Simon owes her a favor for getting her to flip on the schism vs new religion vote and still refuses to do what she asks, at which point [Esmera Deal] gets toggled off and from then on she treats Simon coldly as if they never had agreed to deal with each other in the first place.

Kerannii on the other hand gets dialogue strongly condemning Simon for double dealing if you talk with her in her chambers after the first day's votes, but because [Kerannii Deal] doesn't get toggled off she goes back to being super friendly during the minor issues votes and the aram-eustrin conference and doesn't use her hostile dialogue, instead blessing Simon's heart and doing favors for him.

Decanter

nklrzf [Esmera Override] flag that never gets used

It's used in the Ivalan Succubi vote, isn't it?

The_Scoutman

Decanter [Esmera Override] is used in the Ivalan Succubi vote, but it has a redundant role so it doesn't change anything (both mechanically and cosmetically) from it either being on or off, it is probably a leftover from early balance ideas. As far as I can tell it doesn't cause anything unintended or unexpected to happen.